General Andrew Goodpaster
Interview conducted by George Filer
George A. Filer's interview on June 10, 1998, with General Andrew J.
Goodpaster at the Eisenhower Institute, Washington, DC. Goodpaster was the former
Strategic and Policy Staff Secretary for President Eisenhower from 1954-61. Later he
was Commander-in-Chief U. S. Forces and Supreme Allied Commander in Europe from
1969-74. He genuinely seems to have liked the President and enjoyed working closely
with him. We discussed the Air Victory Museum and its advisors such as Admiral
Moorer, most of whom he knew. I handed him the Case Statement concerning the Museum
and he took about five minutes to flip through all the pages commenting on many
items. He was amazed we were building a ME-262 German Fighter for the museum.
He commented we were really frightened by that aircraft at the end of World War II.
He had worked with General Eisenhower during World War II. He felt that we had to
keep the Russians off balance with frequent over flights, penetrations, and similar
actions during the Eisenhower Administration. If we maintained a comparatively
defensive posture as under the Kennedy Administration, they would advance as shown by the
Cuban crisis. General Goodpaster was in charge of the day to day coordination on all
military and intelligence matters for the White House. We talked extensively about
the U-2 over-flights. The President approved each flight on a need basis. He
only allowed a few days for the flight to be launched or it was canceled. They knew
the Soviets were launching fighters and firing missiles at the U-2's, so it was just a
matter of time before they destroyed one. He felt, they handled the actual shoot
down of Gary Francis Powers rather poorly. He thought the British were also
launching some of their flights with Canberra's and other aircraft.
President Eisenhower wanted civilian intelligence organizations to provide most of the
intelligence rather than the military intelligence services. He felt there was too
much competition between the military branches to provide accurate data. Eisenhower
wanted the Navy to get going with the first satellites, but the Vanguard had a series of
failures. He was not aware of any disc aircraft being built by our government.
I showed him the plans for the Silverbug Disc aircraft and he seemed surprised. He
mentioned the Navy had a large research program that may have built some kind of
disc. I asked about the President's announcement in the New York Times on December
16, 1954, stating that the Air Force had informed him that UFOs were not from outer
space. The General claimed was not aware of the announcement.
I asked about Eisenhower drawing both triangle and disc shaped craft on his meeting
agendas? He explained that the President was an artist and doodled with a pencil
almost continuously. Another little known fact is that Eisenhower had also been a
I asked the General, if he knew Lt. Col. Corso? He indicated he had heard of him in
regards to the Korean prisoners of war. He my have met him. He thought he
dealt with the psychology of prisoners of war. I showed him Corso's book, and he
laughed as he read the cover. He claimed he had no knowledge of the book, UFOs,
aliens, or crashes. He also knew General Trudeau, who had been Corso's
commander. He had no knowledge of a file cabinet with alien artifacts. He
handed the book back without opening it. I asked him if General Eisenhower had met
with aliens? He laughed, and assured me that he would have known if that
happened. He could affirm that no such meeting had ever taken place. He seemed
amused by the book but did not seem to take it seriously.
He did state, that important people from other countries had queried him with a similar
set of questions about UFOs, He implied his answers to them were similar to mine. He
indicated the only other groups who might have knowledge would have been the National
Security Council or the Research and Development Group under Dr. Killian.
General Goodpaster has an excellent grasp of history, politics, military, engineering and
foreign affairs. His complete lack of knowledge concerning UFOs was unexpected, and
seemed almost over done. He kept pointing to the fact his work was the daily
hands-on-control of the military, and not with long range planning.
I also brought up formally highly classified information concerning our raids, sabotage
and intelligence collection forays behind Soviet lines using foreign nationals.
These former defectors that went to work for us were known as Cobra Teams. He acted
somewhat uncomfortable about these missions and avoided confirming these raids.
He was gracious, friendly and open concerning every subject, but UFOs and the raids.
He was in daily contact with the JCS and most of our intelligence agencies. He did
not deny the existence of UFOs. However, his demeanor implied the government felt
UFOs did not exist or were of little importance. Less likely is the possibility this
subject is the highest classified program in the government, and key personnel have been
taught to avoid discussing at any cost. It's probable he would not provide me with
classified data unless I had a need to know.
He seemed to enjoy talking and stated he wanted me to stay longer. We talked for
almost two hours. He liked telling little stories about him and Eisenhower. He
encouraged me to return in the near future. He was very much a gentleman with high
moral standards and concepts of how a President and officers should act. It was
apparent he was upset with the decline in behavior in high places.
He mentioned Dr. Killian several times and that the Navy had a whole series of special
programs under development. His attitude implied he felt UFOs were of little
significance. The only hint he provided was that they may have been part of a Research and
Development program probably with the Navy. It's possible he had heard something
about this and was not sure, if had been declassified. Frankly, based on the
conversation even this is rather doubtful. Also, it is apparent he felt he knew what
the Army and probably the Air Force had under development. Additional, meetings
might prove more fruitful if he could be shown declassified documents concerning the
George A. Filer