Wilbert Smith, A Crashed Saucer, and the Ultimate Alien Encounter
As more and more is made public about the
flying saucer research of Canadian Project Magnet Director Wilbert Smith, it becomes more and
more apparent that Smith enjoyed a high need-to-know on the subject, and at
least temporarily held a close relationship with those doing the highest-level research in
the United States. Agencies included the CIA, U.S. Navy, FBI, NASA, and the U.S. Research and
Wilbert Smith wrote about some of this cooperation in
his November 21, 1950 Top
Secret UFO memo to the Department of Transport. They indicated,
Smith wrote, that if Canada is doing anything at all in geo-magnetics they would
welcome a discussion with suitably accredited Canadians.
Vannevar Bush, who Wilbert Smith had described in the Top Secret UFO memo as
the head of a small group in the United States making a concentrated effort to
discover the modus operandi of the flying saucers, also discussed Canadian-U.S.
We must depend heavily on the Canadians for investigation of
communication, navigation, projectile control methods and ionospheric measurements in the
all-important auroral belt. Interchange of technical information should be uninhibited to
enable us to gain necessary Canadian information so that studies of the earths
magnetic field may be completed. ,
As a strange footnote to the possible exchange of
flying saucer secrets from the United States to the Canadians, all disclosure of technical
information to foreign nationals was contained in policy document State-Defense MIC
(Military Information Control Committee) 206/29. The committee determined the
various potential countries-recipient and delineated the limits of
classification for each whether made orally or by means of transfer of reports
or other documents.
The Committee had a member from each of the three
military services, and there was a fourth member of the committee from the Research and
Development Board. Interestingly, the R&DB member for the period 1950-1951 when Smith
first interviewed Dr. Robert Sarbacher, wrote his Top Secret UFO memo, and was sending UFO
papers to Vannevar Bush, was none other Dr. Eric A. Walker. (At the
time Executive Director at the R&DB)
Dr. Walker would go on to give a number of UFO
interviews, which became the basic of the book UFOs, MJ-12, and the
Government. If Smith had requested access to the craft and bodies, later interviews
with Dr. Walker indicate Walker would have known where to send him.
The Crashed Saucer
The Smith crashed flying saucer story actually goes
back to the early 1980s. Alberta researcher John Musgrave told this researcher that Buck
Buchanan, a close private associate of Smith in his post Project Magnet flying saucer
research (1954-1961), lived near him and was telling him some incredible stories about his
days working with Smith.
In a later letter to this author, Musgrave mentioned
the story that Smith claimed he had been given a peak at a flying saucer at a Washington
D.C. Air Force Base in the early 1950s. Although Musgrave didnt reveal the source,
it seemed certain that this was one of the amazing stories he had been told by Buchanan.
Musgrave stated his belief that he thought Smith might
have been caught up in some sort of disinformation, and only thought he had seen a real
craft. Musgrave made no reference to alien bodies being involved in the Washington saucer
In April 2002 I interviewed Wilbert Smiths
oldest son James and asked him about the crashed flying story told by Buchanan. James
Smith confirmed the story, stating that his father had told him the story near the end of
his life. What he had been told agreed with Buchanans Washington Air Force Base
A second item that adds credence to the idea that
Smith had been taken into the ultimate inner circle of those who had actually controlled
the extraterrestrial proof was a story that Wilbert Smith had actually seen the
extraterrestrial bodies from one of the crashes.
This genesis of this body story goes back to the Hotel
Algonquin in 1972. Psychiatrist and paranormal researcher Dr. Berthold Schwarz was meeting
with Harold Sherman, a renowned paragnost, psychic researcher and author of more than 90
books. Sherman was also prominent for his experiments in telepathy conducted between
himself in New York City and Sir Hubert Wilkins who was at the time in the Canadian
During the conversation with Dr. Schwarz, Sherman
began talking about his friendship with Mr. Silas Newton. Newton was the geophysicist, and
oil businessman who gave the original lecture about the 1948 Aztec, New Mexico crash at
the University of Denver on March 8, 1950.
It was also Silas Newton who had approached prominent
Hollywood writer Frank Scully with the story of the Aztec crash, which Scully wrote up in
a best selling book called Behind the Flying Saucers. The book created a stir
of controversy and was generally written off by the majority of researchers as a
Part of books problems was that despite many
attempts from researchers, reporters, and people offering movie deals, neither Newton nor
Scully would reveal the eight different sources that had provided the details of the Aztec
Harold Sherman had met Newton through Frank Scully who
had been a long-time friend. He went on to
know Newton for 30 years and gained great respect for him. He called him an
altogether extraordinary person who probably was misunderstood in many fields, but he had
an awful lot to him.
According to Schwarz, it was during the 1972
discussion that Sherman had told him Wilbert Smith had provided access to the Aztec crash
bodies for Silas Newton. In his 1983 book UFO Dynamics Schwarz wrote
through the intervention of Wilbert Smith, electronics expert and organizer of
Project Magnet Newton later actually saw the humanoids himself.
The significant part of this disclosure is that the
Newton, although accosted by many researchers as an untrustworthy con man, ended up
describing an event that now fits with what we know about Smith.
As well as telling a story that other more reliable
people were telling, the story also rings true because if Newton made up the story about
seeing the bodies it makes no sense that he would claim to have been given this ultimate
Top Secret access through a foreign national. He would surely have claimed access through
some high level U.S. official, or through his mysterious group of eight scientists known
as Dr. Gee.
Another fact not known in 1972 when Schwarz and
Sherman spoke is the fact that Smith was very interested in the Aztec crash. In 1983 a
transcript of a September 1950 interview between Wilbert Smith and a U.S. military
scientist by the name of Dr. Robert
Sarbacher was released.
In this interview Dr. Robert Sarbacher had told Smith
the facts in the book (Frank Scullys book on crashed flying saucers) are
Smith would therefore have been operating under the assumption that the Aztec crash did
take place despite the numerous debunking articles that were being written about the
Scully book in the early fifties. There is little doubt that Smith would have followed on
Aztec with other high-ranking U.S. officials.
There was no correspondence between Smith and Scully
or Newton found in Scullys files at the University of Wyoming, or in the Wilbert
Smith files found at the University of Ottawa. Any contact with Newton by Smith would have
been by phone or through channels.
The evidence that Smith had seen the bodies continued
to surface in a 1997 message published on the Usenet from a former President of the
Montreal Flying Saucer Club. This group was very active during the sixties, and it had
contacts with the Ottawa Flying Saucer Club just down the road. The two groups had also
done work together on two large objects that had been recovered from the shore of the St.
Laurence River in 1961.
It was during supper during the evening that Mrs.
Smith told tales about her former husband. One of the stories included the fact that
Wilbert Smith had personally viewed dead alien bodies. In an E-mail to this author The
We were told about the bodies that Wilbert Smith had seen when he was
personally invited by the US military. We were simply told that he saw the bodies and from
the impression that I received it was for only a short time - minutes not hours.
This Montreal Flying Saucer Club member further
described the bodies according to what he recalled Mrs. Smith had stated.
Mr. Smith described (to his wife) the dead occupants as having been
approximately 4.5 to 5 feet in height, grayish blue tint to the skin, large eyes, small
slit for a mouth and four long fingers with no thumbs.
This large eyes and four finger description is the
only time a grey type description of the alien was ever associated with
Wilbert Smith. The Observer, in relating what Mrs. Smith had told the four Montreal
members, might have added more than what they were actually told. For example, in a
separate article written by The Observer concerning the disclosures made by Wilberts
wife, the claim was made that the Smith description was associated with Roswell. The
article also stated Smith had been invited to the crash site. Smith did not get involved
in flying saucers till 1950, so there is no way he was at the Roswell crash site in July
The large eyed
grey idea was not only unknown to Wilbert Smith, it was also unknown in the UFO world
prior to the 1961 abduction of Betty and Barney Hill. There were tall 7 8 or
10 beings, little men, small hairy dwarf like beings, dwarf-like beings with large
heads, entities shaped like potato bags, robot-like creatures, entities without heads, and
many many humanlike figures.
The days when Wilbert Smith was researching where
dominated by contactees, and Wilbert Smith was one himself. In a letter to a Mr. Milne in
1957, for example, Smith stated, It is my opinion that the people from outside are
so much like us that they could mingle with us and we would be none the wiser.
Once Smith died and the Hill abduction gained
widespread publicity, all the alien encounters from 1947-1961 were basically removed from
UFO histories as if they had never occurred.
Most present day researchers, for example, would
probably agree with J. Allen Hynek (Scientific Consultant to the United States Air Force
Project Blue Book) who described most contactees as pseudo-religious fanatics
of low credibility value, or with abduction researcher David Jacobs who
stated basically contactee followers were gullible people who, through lack of
adequate factual information about the UFO phenomena, formulated a belief system that
easily incorporated the contactees claims as fact.
The usual telling of the Smith body story is the one
related in 1998 when researcher and author Palmiro Campagna wrote the following in the
Postscript section of his 1998 soft cover edition of The UFO Files. He
According to James Smith, on one of his many
trips to the U.S. Wilbert Smith told his son that he was shown recovered bodies from a
recovered craft. Wilbert Smith described the bodies as small and humanoid in
In July 2000 I interviewed James Smith by phone and
revisited the issue of the alien bodies that Smith had seen. James stated that he had been
told about the bodies as his father was near death. James was did not recall that the body
description involved greys simply small people.
In March 2002 James Smith was a guest on the
Strange Days . . . Indeed radio show where he described the UFO hardware his
father had received from the United States to analyze, and he again was asked about the
alien body story.
James Smith described the aliens as small
humanoid and like descriptions of the time. These descriptions were in
agreement with descriptions made by many other people having alien encounters in the
fifties. They would also agree with Smiths notion that alien were not much different
than we were and might even be distant relatives.
If it occurred, it seems most probable that the Smith
viewing of the crashed saucers and bodies occurred in the early fifties. The reasons for
that would include.
Correspondence from the
Canadian Embassy in Washington during 1951 indicate that during that period Smith
was dealing, at least indirectly, with Vannevar Bush at the Research and Development Board
in Washington, D.C. Bush, being the head of the U.S. flying saucer effort would have been
able to give Smith access to craft and bodies.
Most importantly, Smith directed the classified Project Magnet
from December 1950 to August 1954. With his clearance he would have been in a position to
be shown the craft and body. Once the classified program was closed down in August 1954,
Smiths clearance and need-to-know on flying saucers probably went with
Prior to the CIA Robertson panel in January 1953, the subject of flying
saucers was more openly discussed. It is then more probable Smith was shown the craft and
body before the CIA began the debunking campaign.
The report from Sherman that Silas Newton was given access to the bodies
through Wilbert Smiths help, also indicates an early fifties date.
The Musgrave story concerning the Washington crashed saucer viewing
mentioned the early fifties.
The tone of Smith writings near the end of his life in 1962 was not upbeat.
Smith had not received a message from AFFA for almost two years. He had taken his
anti-gravity experiment apart telling his wife that the world was not ready for it. His
writing began to reflect his strong belief that the important part of the UFO mystery was
in the philosophy of the aliens rather than in their technological hardware. In the early
fifties Smiths writing had showed a keen interest in discovering the propulsion of
the strange new objects.
Bush to Colonel Wood Research and Development Board Files, National Archives, Box
534, Folder 3. Most
of the Canadian contact was made through the liaison of the Research Defense Board of
Canada, which was charged with the establishment of all policies in the field of
military research and development as well as exercising the executive functions of
administering all the research and development installations in the Military
 Dr. Omond Solandt, then the head of the Canadian Defense Research Board has on many occasions denied that this Smith Bush relationship occurred. In a June 8, 1991 interview with Dr. Henry Victorian Solandt said, Not that they (U.S.) were doing any work on it. They were watching it very closely as far as I knew. . . I got my information from Van Bush. At that time I used to see him a couple times during the year, and that was a subject that we sometimes discussed, but we never did any joint work on it.
Solandt was questioned many times about whether or not the Smith had worked with the Americans. In early interviews Solandt stated that Canadians were not granted anything higher than Top Secret. However, in the 1991 interview with Victorian he contradicted this when asked if the Americans would have shared such very secretive or above top secret material. They certainly would have, replied Solandt. If we would have shown interest in it and the need to know. We have shared some above top secret information. This is not exactly what we regarded a s being very important.
 Schwarz, Berthold UFO Dynamics Book 2 Carlstadt, New Jersey: Rainbow Books, 1983 p.535
 Ibid. P. 534
 From the transcript of an interview between Wilbert Smith and Dr. Robert Sarbacher, September 15, 1950. Found in Wilbert Smiths personal files.
 E-mail The Observer <firstname.lastname@example.org> to Grant Cameron
 The Observer Roswell is Factual alt. Alien Visitors 06/18/1997
 Another thing that indicates the grey was foreign to Smith and everyone else in the 1950s was the reaction of Wilbert Smiths metallurgist to Dr. Robert Sarbachers description of the alien bodies as insect like. When this Sarbacher/Steinman letter became public I sent it to the metallurgist for comment. He phoned days later absolutely shocked at the insect description. He told me that the Smith group had discussed the aliens many times and that this type of alien was never brought up.
 Pope, Nick, The Uninvited
 Jacobs, David The UFO Controversy In America Indiana University Press 1975 p. 113`